After 30 weeks on “Starch Solution” having problems and returning to plain old calorie counting – yet again

Previously I had posted here about my first 15 weeks on Dr. John McDougall’s “Starch Solution” and the better results I achieved compared with Dr. David Ludwig’s “Protein Power.”

Unfortunately at week 30 I’ve regained about 1/2 of what I lost those first 15 weeks. I’m still down about 20 lb from when I started 30 weeks ago, but I had been down 40 lb, so I’ve regained half of what I’ve lost.

My blood tests remain good. My blood sugar HbA1c is now in the normal range, and my cholesterol is extremely low. All my blood tests are in the normal range.

But I think my blood sugar will start going up unless I can, yet again, get weight loss under control. I had dropped below 100 kg for a few weeks, and now I’m above it again. For the year I’m down a disappointing 11 lb only. I suppose you could say if my new year’s resolution was to lose weight this year I’ve technically kept that resolution, but still…

And I am still down 46 lb from my high in 2012. So I’ve managed to avoid a complete rebound so far, for the first time ever. So that part is good.

But “Starch Solution” just isn’t working anymore. I need to rethink again.

As I posted in the “Starch Solution” support group on Facebook, I appreciate everyone who gave constructive comments. Different diets work for different people I think. I don’t think there is a universal answer that works for everyone, which is why people everywhere are endlessly debating different kinds of diets.

Multiple people in the Starch Solution support group agree with what I wrote and say they have the same problems I do. So I know it’s not just me.

For now, I think the best way to get back to losing weight is to strictly count and control calories again. Just keep on logging everything in MyFitnessPal, which I’ve been doing for over 1,600 days now, through good and bad days, and really try hard to stick within calorie limits.

I know calorie counting works. And it offers the most variety. However, I also know it’s not sustainable after a couple of years, having done it many times and then rebounded. But to be honest I also feel that while Starch Solution worked at first, it too has turned out, for me, to be yet another diet that isn’t sustainable long term. Some things about that diet are not right, and some things Dr. McDougall, the author of the diet, has said also turned out to be hyperbole at best.

I do recognize that Starch Solution seems to work for some people and am not disputing that. Even low-carb ketogenic and near-ketogenic diets seem to work for some people (though not for me – too high calorie). I imagine even “Protein Power” works for some people, though I gained weight trying that.

The advantage of low calorie diets, where you take into account what you eat, and calories expended in exercise, and log everything, and are very careful to keep calories in balance, is that it always works as long as you can stay on it. And calorie-counting offers the most variety (no particular food is forbidden), and offers a positive, measurable encouragement to do exercise (the more you exercise, the more you can eat and/or the more weight you lose).

The premise with Starch Solution, that the starches would keep you satisfied and control your hunger, only seemed to really work for me for the first 10-15 weeks. And during that time I was also ill for 5 weeks with a bad summer cold and lost my appetite. So I lost an unnatural amount of weight during the illness. Since my first 15 weeks, though, It’s been rough and I just need to try something “different” while trying to figure this out.

So it’s back to “good old” calorie counting for now. And I’m not particularly caring exactly what is in the food I eat as long as it’s low calorie and seems to satisfy me so I don’t overeat. I honestly think everything else – cholesterol, blood sugar, overall health – comes with weight loss. After all, if you are on a low-calorie diet then it’s impossible to eat too much fat, or too much sugar, or really overdo too much of anything unhealthy. Calorie limits create a cap on everything. The fact there might be non-vegan ingredients in food doesn’t, by itself, really matter than much. For example, think of ordinary miso soup. The dashi in miso soup contains some bonito extract. I can’t believe that is going to make the difference between good and bad health.

Calorie counting also makes it easier when on the go, because calories are labeled everywhere, even in many restaurants.

Anyway, here I am going with yet another change of diet. And it’s a diet I’ve been on before too, so while I’m not exactly full-to-the-brim with confidence I am going to try it again.

All I can do is keep trying.


Doug’s Diet Q&A – everything you didn’t want to hear about diets

As some of you may know I lost a great deal of weight since 2012 – some 90 lb. But after losing all that weight I plateaued for about a year. Then over the past year my weight has been slowly creeping up again. In other words – yet another rebound.

This has happened multiple times in my life. I can go on a diet and stay on it without temptation, lose a lot of weight and then around the 700 day mark I start regaining.

I’m trying everything I can think of right now to prevent a total rebound, but I haven’t been very successful for more than a week or two at a time so far.

I’m not giving up though. In fact, today I recommitted myself (yet again) to a strict diet, and managed to finish the day, feeling full, and yet eating only 1277 calories. I can’t say I’m feeling extremely confident at the moment, but I want to pass on my honest, rather cynical, and sort of depressing personal observations about all the diets out there I’ve tried, and what I think the problems are as far as getting to a normal weight and staying there are.

I emphasize that these are my personal observations. In other words, just one data point. But I feel justified in doing that because so many other diets report from either personal experience or from a handful of participants and try to generalize to the entire population of overweight people.

Now it’s my turn.

But at least I’ll be honest up front and say “your results may vary.” Everybody is different. The causes of obesity differ from person to person.

That’s one of my major points – your solution is not necessarily my solution. Many people find this basic fact difficult to grasp. I’ll repeat it because it is important – what works for one person may not work for another.

This is one of my main gripes with people who promote diets (and who try to be helpful and give diet advice) – they tend to assume that what works for themselves must work for everybody else. Further, they will say if their solution doesn’t work for you then you must be failing to follow their “tried and true” rules.

Anyway, here is my Q&A, answering the most relevant and interesting questions which come to mind. My answers, I’m afraid, are not designed to be a morale booster, instill confidence, be motivational or any of that. They are just my 100% honest view of diet reality.

So here goes.

Q. OK. So wow. How did you lose your initial 90 lb?

A. I had a heart attack in May of 2012. It basically scared me into seriously dieting. I was extremely obese. The doctor found an artery blockage and I had one stent put in and was in the hospital for a week. My blood sugar was through the roof. My cholesterol was extremely high.

The doctor left me with just the instructions to try to lose weight by limiting calories to 1800 per day and doing daily exercise.

I decided by myself to be more pro-active and checked around and decided to go on the Ornish Spectrum “heart disease reversal program” – which is basically the same as the Esselstyn program. It’s what Bill Clinton went on after his heart problems. The basic diet can be summed up like this: It’s mostly vegan (with a couple of tiny exceptions), no oils, no nuts and no seeds. So that’s what I did. I went vegan, and gave up oils and nuts and seeds. And I also got rid of my moped and bought a bicycle and did at least 30-45 minutes of cycling every day and more walking.

Q. Did it work?

A. It did at first. My weight came off quickly. Weight loss did slow down though. But I eventually got under 90 kg for a brief time. But my weight loss had trickled to a standstill by then even though I was still borderline overweight and obese. And after two years of this I started having cravings, and eventually my weight started creeping up again (with some dips along the way). So far I’ve regained more than 20 lb of what I’ve lost.

Q. Why did it work at first so easily and then get harder?

A. The reason it worked so easily at first is because I weighed so much! I could probably have followed any diet and lost a lot of weight initially. It got harder after I dropped to a certain weight because my net caloric intake (the calories I ate minus the calories I burned from exercise) was too high. I think mainly from the rice I had made a staple part of my diet.

Q. Couldn’t you just reduce the calories you ate even more?

A. Easier said than done is all I can say. When you start out obese, your body has an excess amount of fat cells. When you lose weight, the fat cells don’t go away. Most people don’t understand this point. The fat cells remain – they just shrink. They remain a permanent part of your body. But fat cells are not “dead clumps of fat” in your body. They are living cells. If you starve them beyond a certain point they send signals to your brain that you are starving, which makes it hard to stay on your calorie restriction, and even harder to reduce calories even more. I think that’s the main physical reason for rebounding. After a while your body thinks it is starving.

Q. What about increasing exercise then?

A. A person can increase exercise to a certain point. But most of it is still what you eat. I felt I was really trying to exercise by doing 30-45 minutes of cycling each day and increasing walking. And maybe I need to do more. One of the dumbest magazine headlines I ever read was, “People who exercise 3-4 hours every day tend not to be overweight.” Well, yes, I’m sure that is true. But it’s not a very practical observation. I would say that even if I tripled my exercise every day it would not be the solution to my problem. The main thing is still controlling my caloric intake. My doctor says I should try to do 900 calories worth of exercise per day and that would solve all my problems.  It’s rather difficult to accomplish though. For example, to burn 900 calories would require more than 2 hours of brisk walking per day. And even if I did that it still would not be nearly enough to counteract overeating. I strongly feel the eating part is still the main thing.

Q. Were there other positive side effects from the Ornish program?

A. The main benefit was as I lost weight my blood sugar returned to normal, without any special blood sugar medication. My cholesterol also dropped to very healthy levels – like 120 total cholesterol and an LDL (bad cholesterol) of just 70. My blood pressure is about 116/60. All great. But not all due to the Ornish program. My cholesterol was not dropping just by dieting – I had to start taking one statin each day. My doctors say that diet alone doesn’t always reduce cholesterol, and so I don’t attribute my low cholesterol just to the Ornish program. But I think it probably helped. After all, cholesterol in diet only comes from animal products, so if you don’t eat animal products you are eating a cholesterol free diet. And my blood sugar going down was strictly because I lost weight, and would happen on any diet.

Q. What about heart health on the Ornish program?

A. It’s unclear. A heart catheter checkup one year after my hospital stay starting showed no progression of disease. That is a good thing. On the other hand it didn’t show “reversal” either. But I would say avoiding the further buildup of arterial plaque was beneficial – thus stopping heart disease in its tracks. So yes, that was helpful.

Q. So what’s wrong with the Ornish program?

A. The problem is with weight loss. There are no guidelines for losing weight with Ornish. And, like I said, I’ve been rebounding.

Q. You said your blood sugar returned to normal, without medications. But a vegan diet is high carb. Don’t carbs hurt your blood sugar?

A. Carbs have no effect on my blood sugar. If I lose weight my HbA1c goes down no matter what diet I follow.

Q. What are the problems with the Ornish program and weight loss?

A. As mentioned above, there are no weight loss guidelines. If you cut out animal products, dairy, nuts, seeds and oils you are still left with very high caloric foods. In particular, grains like rice, wheat and pasta. And fruits.

Q. But if you eat whole grains doesn’t that help? Aren’t they “healthy”?

A. No. Whole grains are just as fattening as processed grains. For weight loss they have no benefit whatsoever.

Q. But don’t whole grains help keep you feeling full and more satisfied, thus helping you control your appetite?

A. No. Whole grains are no more filling or more satisfying than processed grains. In fact, since they taste better than processed grains I just feel the urge to eat even more or them. They are all really high calories and just trigger hunger.

Q. Is brown rice really that fattening?

A. Rice – brown or white – is enormously fattening because it has tons of calories. In fact, that’s about all it has is calories. It’s very low in protein. It’s almost all carbs – sugars.

Q. But isn’t it harder to turn carb calories into body fat than fat itself? Isn’t there a metabolic advantage to eating carbs?

A. No.

Q. But I heard that there were rat studies which fed different groups low fat, high carb and high fat, low carb and the rats which ate low fat, high carb lost more weight with the same number of calories.

A. Low carb, high fat advocates can point you to just as many studies showing the opposite result.

Q. So you think a calorie is a calorie as far as weight loss goes?

A. Yes.

Q. Is sugar bad for you?

A. I think so. I think sugar triggers food urges which just make you want to eat more sugary things, or more carbs.

Q. What about “healthy” sugars, like sugars in fruits?

A. They trigger the same food urges. If you eat a banana (pretty high calorie) when you are done you want to eat another banana. And it’s the same with other fruits in my experience. At least all the fruits I like: watermelon, pineapple, pears, apples, oranges and mango to name some.

Q. What about oats? I hear they are really healthy.

A. What do you mean by “healthy?” As far as weight loss goes, oats have loads and loads of calories. They are not helpful for a diet.

Q. What about Weight Watchers and their zero point fruits?

A. It is nonsense. If you eat too many fruits you will eat too many calories and gain weight.

Q. Are you saying that Weight Watchers is using “bait and switch” to get people to join their diet by suggesting people can eat as much fruit as they want?

A. Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. It is bait and switch.

Q. What about Atkins and ketogenic diets with very low carbs. Can you lose weight on those?

A. No. There is no magic with low carb diets. For some people it can help with sugar urges and reduce appetite. But if you eat too many calories, such as butter and oil, or meats, then you will eat too many calories and not lose weight.

Q. But Atkins claims there is a “metabolic advantage” because the low carbs prevent insulin spikes and therefore block the processing storage of fat.

A. It is not true. A calorie is a calorie.

Q. But what about Gary Taubes’s research promoting low carb eating and “Why we get fat”?

A. It’s not true. See my extensive notes on that here.

Q. There is a diet promoting a vegan diet like Ornish and Essylstyn, but with no additives or sugars. Is that that answer?

A. No. That diet, also known as the “protective diet” doesn’t restrict fruits or whole grains. All of those foods have too many calories to keep weight down. You can’t ignore calories.

Q. Are you saying that any diet which doesn’t include calorie limits is incorrect.

A. Yes, that is exactly what I’m saying. It’s basic conservation of energy. You can’t escape conservation of energy.

Q. What about diets which say they aren’t “diets” but “lifestyles.”

A. It’s nonsense. What you eat is a diet. If there are rules about what you can eat, or how much you can eat it’s a diet. It’s just verbal trickery to say otherwise.

Q. So what is the solution to losing weight and keeping it off?

A. Reducing calories enough so that you lose weight – for the rest of your life.

Q. Is there any way of doing that so you don’t feel deprived and hungry after a while?

A. I don’t think so.

Q. So what’s the solution?

A. There may not be one other than just facing the fact that you are not going to eat to satisfaction ever again and maybe trying to get emotional satisfaction from feeling deprived-but-healthy instead.

Q. You said you managed to stick to just 1277 calories today and aren’t hungry. What are you trying now?

A. I have been feeling uncomfortable with my recent experiments in eating animal products, so I’m back to vegan for one thing. And I’m counting calories.

To help avoid high calorie foods I’m eliminating more food categories from my diet in hopes of finding a combination that works for me.

So what I’m trying now is (1) vegan; (2) no added fats or oils; (3) no nuts; (4) no seeds; (5) no added sugars; (6) no grains (i.e. no rice, wheat, oats, pasta, etc.). Number (6) is the major difference from Ornish or Esselstyn. And (7) I’m also going to avoid fruits for now since they also seem to trigger hunger urges. And I’m also avoiding so-called “zero calorie” artificially sweetened jellos because I think they somehow trigger a feeling of wanting sugary things.

In short, I’m trying to see if by vastly increasing my restricted categories of food I can eliminate foods which trigger hunger urges and just eat foods which are filling.

Q. What about protein?

A. I don’t think people need that much protein. Anyway, I can get it from edamame or small amounts of legumes, like kidney beans or garbanzo beans added to salads, or some tofu. Almost all vegetables have some protein in them.

Q. Shouldn’t you eat even more legumes then for even more protein?

A. No. They can be too high in calories. Plus too many legumes causes digestive problems for me and are uncomfortable.

Q. Dedicated vegans say those digestive problems go away in a few months.

A. It’s not true. The problems don’t even go away after a couple of years. It’s best to just limit legumes to very small amounts.

Q. Don’t digestive enzymes help with problems like that?

A. No.

Q. So you are limiting the amounts of legumes you eat too?

A. Yes, to just small amounts, like 2 ounces added to salads. And just some edamame. And maybe one small package of tofu each day.

Q. What about something starchy to just give you a feeling of eating something satisfying and filling?

A. I find that a sweet potato for lunch helps with that, and is satisfying. Also slices of pumpkin are relatively low calorie and filling and can be easily made for a side dish.

Q. So what did you have for dinner tonight?

A. A 250 g package of frozen green beans. After boiling I added a 400 g can of crushed tomatoes and spices to make a pasta sauce with no oils. It was 193 calories for the entire, large plate. And it was filling. But afterwards I did get hungry again so had some pumpkin slices. And finally I had a small tub of tofu.

Q. Do you feel confident you can stick with this latest, new plan?

A. No.

Q. But you are not giving up?

A. I’m not giving up.

Q. What about dealing with the psychological causes of overeating?

A. That probably a part of it, but I don’t know how to deal with that aspect of it.

Q. Will you try to exercise more?

A. I’m thinking about it. But I just can’t see myself spending 2-3 hours a day at the gym. But I will try to increase exercise if I can. But I want to get eating under control first. That’s my major objective. I want to avoid a complete rebound, which has always happened in the past.

Q. What percent of people are successful dieters who manage to go from obesity to normal weight and keep it off for years without rebounding?

A. I hear that only 5% to 10% or less of dieters have been able to do that.

Q. So you think it is probably hopeless?

A. Probably. At least the odds are greatly against success.

Q. But you are not giving up anyway?

A. No, I’m not giving up. I’ll keep trying to find a combination of foods and exercise and psychological tricks which work for me.

Q. But you are not confident.

A. I am not confident. But I’m living with it.